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[hp8662a] add pictures of replacement parts in the PSU (part 1)
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5 | :Author: David Douard |
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6 | :Category: Electronics |
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7 | :Tags: ZR24W, PSU, PWB-1336-02, TPS-10036 |
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9 | A friend of mine had a problem with his (a bit old) 24" HP monitor: the device |
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10 | was working properly, but only for a while (few minutes at most). |
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12 | Looked like a good candidate for a quick repair, problem being most probably |
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13 | bad caps are so. |
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15 | The first step was to find out how to disassemble the down thing, since these |
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16 | "modern" things are not designed to be serviced and have no screw, only plastic |
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17 | clips which are so easy to break. |
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19 | Whatever, I finally succeded in opening the box (with only one or 2 broken |
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20 | clips). |
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22 | Overview |
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25 | Inside the beast, the usual stuff under the shields: |
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27 | - a PSU, |
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28 | - a main controller board, |
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29 | - an LCD driver board, and the monitor being a bit old, |
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30 | - a blacklight HV driver board. |
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33 | .. image:: {filename}images/ZR24W/back.jpg |
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34 | :alt: Back of the HP ZR24W |
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36 | First thing, to make sure the problem comes from the PSU, I powered the monitor |
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37 | from my bench power supplies. I used one output of my HP E3648A to generate the |
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38 | 19V rail that powers the backlight. It was a bit short (CC limited at 16V), but |
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39 | enough to power the backlight. The second output was used to produce the 12V, |
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40 | and the 5V was generated by my very old home made PSU. |
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42 | .. image:: {filename}images/ZR24W/ext_power.jpg |
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43 | :alt: Testing the display with my bench PSU. |
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45 | The monitor was working fine when powered from these PSUs, so the problem was, |
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46 | indeed, this Tatung PWB-1336-02 switching PSU: |
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48 | .. image:: {filename}images/ZR24W/psu_top.jpg |
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49 | :alt: Top of the Tatung PWB-1336-02 PSU |
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51 | .. image:: {filename}images/ZR24W/psu_bottom.jpg |
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52 | :alt: Bottom view of the Tatung PWB-1336-02 PSU |
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54 | The design is nice and clean. Electrolytic caps however are not the best ones |
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55 | (mostly Lelong ones I think), which is not really a surprise in this kind of |
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56 | device. |
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58 | At first sight, nothing strike the eye, no leaky cap, no burnt resistor or |
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59 | PCB... |
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61 | Not a 10mn fix, in the end. |
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63 | The PSU generates 3 voltages: |
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65 | - 5V @2.7A |
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66 | - 12V @0.8A |
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67 | - 19V @3.2A |
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70 | Finding the problematic power rail |
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73 | There is a hard switch on the PSU, next to the IEC socket, and When the power |
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74 | is on, the 5V is hot, wether the monitor is on or in standby. |
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76 | When the display is powered on, the 2 other voltages are started. |
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78 | The pin 10 on the cable between the PSU and the main CPU board is dedicated |
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79 | to the "power saving" state. It must be high (at 5V, which is always present) |
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80 | to enable the 2 other voltages. |
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82 | Note that there are 2 other pins dedicated to power management (pin 11 and 12, |
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83 | marked as "On/Off" and "Vadj"). But these are directly routed to the backlight |
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84 | board and take no part in the PSU management. |
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87 | My first test has been to plug my cheap `electronic load |
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88 | <{filename}/ZPB30A1.rst>`_ on the 5V with the 2 other voltages stopped. |
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90 | And I could reliably sink 3A from there. So the problem must be on one of the 2 |
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91 | other rails. |
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93 | But I also could sink the max amperage from the 2 other power rails (1A from |
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94 | the 12V and 3.5A from the 19V)... |
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96 | Ok, so each power rail seems to work fine alone. |
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98 | But when I sink current from the 5V rail while the 2 other voltages are up, |
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99 | then the PSU fails after a short while. |
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101 | I've tried to probe a bit the switching curves using my Rigol DS1054, but the |
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102 | PSU being "hot" (around 400V), and having no isolation transformer, I could not |
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103 | probe the signals correctly (using 2 probe and displaying the A-B curve, which |
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104 | is some kind of a joke on the Rigol, since you cannot hide the A and B curves: |
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105 | the curve substraction is purely computed from displayed curve. When I found |
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106 | how useless this was on the Rigol, I had not enough energy to extract my old |
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107 | `Tek 2445A <{filename}/TeK2445.rst>`_ from under the pile of test equipment |
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108 | stowed in the closet...) |
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115 | sure the problem came from this side of the PSU, it could also be a problem in |
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116 | the "isolated" part (bad caps, bad optocoupler, bad voltage reference...). I |
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117 | had checked the main caps, and they seemed to be ok (not quality japanese |
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118 | brands, but still the correct value and low ESR). |
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121 | On the live part, before the transformers, there are 2 chips : |
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123 | - a TNY279PN_ dedicated to the 5V rail |
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124 | - a CM6807_ for the 19V rail |
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126 | The 12V is produced from the 19V rail by a small DC to DC converter (FP6185_). |
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128 | In fact, this PSU design is almost just the 2 application circuits (found in |
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129 | their respective datasheets) merged together. |
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131 | The noticable points are: |
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133 | - The TNY279PN DC input can be come from either the input bridge rectifiers |
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134 | (via a diode and a thermistor), or, when powered, by the DC produced by the |
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135 | CM6807 via the PFC circuit. So when the CM6807 is down (when the monitor is |
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136 | in standby), the DC input for the TNY279 is around 318V, but when the monitor |
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137 | is on, the CM6807's PFC circuit rise this voltage to almost 400V. |
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139 | - The bias winding, normally used to power the TNY279 (to allow a very low |
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140 | no-load power consumption, datasheet says <50mw) also powers the CM6807. |
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142 | A funny side effect of this design is that the CM6807 cannot be started if |
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143 | there is no load on the 5V rail: in this case, the auxiliary voltage of the |
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144 | transformer managed by the TNY279 is not enough to start the CM6807. |
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147 | The application circuits are as follow: |
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149 | .. image:: {filename}images/ZR24W/tny279_app_circuit.svg |
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150 | :alt: Example application circuit for the TNY279PN controller (from the `datasheet <TNY279PN>`_) |
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152 | .. image:: {filename}images/ZR24W/CM6807_app_circuit.svg |
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153 | :alt: Example application circuit for the CM6807 controller (from the `datasheet <CM6807>`_) |
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155 | In this PSU, the input DC of the TNY279 (the point just before R5 in the app |
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156 | circuit) in connected just behind the PFC circuit, i.e. just after the D2 diode |
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157 | of the CM6807 app circuit. |
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159 | In order for the PSU to generate the 5V rails even when the CM6807 is off, |
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160 | there is derivated DC input path, from the bridge rectifier to the input DC |
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161 | rail, consisting in a diode (D922 on the PCB) followed by a thermistor (R915): |
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163 | .. image:: {filename}images/ZR24W/input_DC.jpeg |
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164 | :alt: Input DC showing both paths (yellow: via the PFC, red: the alternate |
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165 | path when power saving is on). |
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168 | Finally, the culprit |
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171 | While testing the PSU powering the CM6807 from an external source, I notices |
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172 | another strange behaviour: the TNY279 enters a failure as soon as I sink |
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173 | current from the 5V rail, but it remains faulty as long as I let the CM6807, |
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174 | thus the PFC running, and the input DC at 400V (instead of 318V when the PFC is |
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175 | not activated).. |
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178 | regulation loop, neither from the CM6807 circuit, so the only culprit left |
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179 | would be either the TNY279PN or a component close to it, a cap (especially the |
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180 | BP/M one), a diode or a resistor. So I tested these parts (again, to be fair), |
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181 | and I replaced the cap connected to the BP/M pin. With no improvement, the only |
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182 | remaining faulty part must be the TNY279PN. |
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184 | So I decided to buy a couple of them from RS, and 2 days later I replaced it, |
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185 | which did fix the PSU. |
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187 | What a tricky half-failing part! |
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192 | .. _TNY279PN: |
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193 | https://www.power.com/sites/default/files/product-docs/tny274-280.pdf |
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194 | .. _CM6807: http://www.championmicro.com.tw/datasheet/Analog%20Device/CM6807.pdf |
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195 | .. _FP6185: http://www.feeling-tech.com.tw/km-master/ezcatfiles/cust/img/img/24/fp6185drv02-g1.pdf |